tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post1431899376445711239..comments2024-03-27T23:07:10.996-07:00Comments on The Victorianist: Belle IsleThe Amateur Casualhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15553683833137054780noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-64085876046610690752023-11-13T13:09:21.283-08:002023-11-13T13:09:21.283-08:00Hi, I was so interested to see your post about you...Hi, I was so interested to see your post about your connection with Pleasant Buildings. I don't now have any old photos of Vale Royal and have searched the web to see if I can find any old images online. There are quite a few of Beaconfield Buildings which was along York Way in Bingfield Street. They were very famous because They featured in the Max Bygraves film 'No Trees in the Street's A few of the children who lived there had main roles in the film.Callyghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187794721312820910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-36868224939390758852022-04-10T05:00:58.852-07:002022-04-10T05:00:58.852-07:00This is interesting to me, as my Grandfather lived...This is interesting to me, as my Grandfather lived there as child , although not born there. His Father wad a Tripe Dresser, they lived at 12 Pleasant Building, Pleasant Grove in the 1890s so a generation before yours. I have NEVER found a photo, or image of the Grove. Would really like to. I am not sure where my Gt Grandfather worked there must have been a Tripe specialist there, or withing the Cattle places, I saw on the useful mapDrapersTripehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252831386716700312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-69461457626219767172021-11-23T08:53:27.675-08:002021-11-23T08:53:27.675-08:00Wow!!! This is awesome. I'm glad to see your u...Wow!!! This is awesome. I'm glad to see your useful post.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.99carrentals.com/" rel="nofollow">99CarRentals</a>Dhruvi Parmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10947836648748621860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-63484948095730081822020-01-21T09:47:06.516-08:002020-01-21T09:47:06.516-08:00This is really interesting for me. I lived in no 2...This is really interesting for me. I lived in no 26 Pleasant Buildings in Vale Royal from 1949 until the early 60s just before they were demolished. My great grandmother lived there too. The buildings were gas lit, and a number of people living there shared one toilet for 3 flats on one floor. I have many memories of the area, one of my earliest being the Vale Royal Street party to celebrate the coronation of Elizabeth 11.Callyghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187794721312820910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-26419609532550227112019-10-07T01:45:06.654-07:002019-10-07T01:45:06.654-07:00Nice piece. You are absolutely right about York Ro...Nice piece. You are absolutely right about York Road becoming York Way. There's a nice bit of evidence for this - the former York Road tube station, which closed in 1932, is still there and has its name on its tiled front - see its Wikipedia article for a photo.Strawberryyoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01088158170872265875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-53689904090492648282019-07-21T10:17:03.038-07:002019-07-21T10:17:03.038-07:00It's named on the map you link to--Belle Isle ...It's named on the map you link to--Belle Isle is/was the streets immediately to north of Pleasant Grove, at very top centre of the Victorian map.Telemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05053454967579846648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-1402039526473121452018-06-28T08:27:15.851-07:002018-06-28T08:27:15.851-07:00At last! My father was born in Pleasant Buildings,...At last! My father was born in Pleasant Buildings, Pleasant Grove in 1914 to 3 generations of horse slaughterers. He referred to it as "the Dwellings" I've been trying to find out where it was for many years so thank you very much.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10752904690848748584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-34164538383305223742018-04-15T08:57:44.532-07:002018-04-15T08:57:44.532-07:00^^^Should have read *first timing point*, of cours...^^^Should have read *first timing point*, of course, sorry.Blog blaggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13156687839546504965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-25067947274517257032018-04-15T08:56:34.357-07:002018-04-15T08:56:34.357-07:00Just an FYI, but the area—such as it is—and at lea...Just an FYI, but the area—such as it is—and at least the name, are still in use today on the railway; "Belle Isle" is the timing point out of KGX, just before Copenhagen Jcn. I've got a picture of it as seen on TRUST, but don't think I can upload it in this reply. Nice piece though!Blog blaggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13156687839546504965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-47610527689237362017-10-05T08:48:51.897-07:002017-10-05T08:48:51.897-07:00I believe 'The Vale' would have been the ...I believe 'The Vale' would have been the stretch of York Road between the railway bridge and Pleasant Grove. Gary Barnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088463195311467686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-72221924668841328182017-10-05T05:39:19.298-07:002017-10-05T05:39:19.298-07:00Today's Vale Royal was once known rather inapp...Today's Vale Royal was once known rather inappropriately as Pleasant Grove. Prior to that it had been called Belle Isle Shoot. Shoot in this case meaning rubbish dump.Gary Barnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088463195311467686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-25091691419003996112017-10-05T05:33:47.702-07:002017-10-05T05:33:47.702-07:00I've been fascinated by Belle Isle and its inh...I've been fascinated by Belle Isle and its inhabitants, such as the great Jack Atcheler, for some time. (Hi, Oakleaf, it seems we share a very niche interest).<br /><br /><br />You've identified its location correctly. It was originally the Vale Royal or Bellfield estate. <br /><br />It was described by Charles Booth (he of the Poverty Map as the Chief Seat of the London Horse-slaughterers.<br /><br />Much changed now of course, although the building that was Atcheler's office is still there. <br /><br />Gary BarnettGary Barnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088463195311467686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-10011872113372455382016-03-29T09:12:41.733-07:002016-03-29T09:12:41.733-07:00Edit..the Swaton road house I lived in was not the...Edit..the Swaton road house I lived in was not the one the suspect lived in [William Bury] at number 3.. By that time, some of the houses had been cleared, and I think number 3 was cleared, but cannot be sure. Wasn't aware of this at the time, of course.Catherine Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321859403060084313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2651641356618861735.post-3518422001016558202016-03-29T09:06:28.074-07:002016-03-29T09:06:28.074-07:00Fascinating! I too love Victorian London, and wish...Fascinating! I too love Victorian London, and wish I was born in those times, until I read of the dreadful conditions of the poorest. <br />Disease was rampant even amongst the wealthy, and even my own mother succumbed to that most 'Victorian' of ailments, T.B in the winter fog of 1962.<br />Seven Dials is now a pricey pretty part of Covent Garden, and I once lived in a squat in Swaton Road, Bow, where a Jack the Ripper suspect also lived.<br />The house had hardly been untouched since the day it was built, and out the back was a scullery with a belfast sink that snizzled water constantly.<br />walking back to Bow from the West End at night, as a teenager through Whitechapel at 2am It felt oddly safe, [1978] and there were very few people about apart from the odd streetsweeper.<br />My passion is Victorian rocking horses, and the manufacturers of these lived in poverty, despite the fact that their well carved horses are now valuable [for the best makers].<br />The ''poor child's horse'' the ones with stick legs and a barrel body and a stylised 2D head are looked down upon by the collectors of today, but I find the ''poor'' kid's toy horses enchanting.<br />The fact so few survive makes them rarer than the best rocking horses- but can still be bought for £25.<br />I have done my own small bits of research on a London maker, and the ''rookery'' in which his family lived is known to be 'dark' in more ways than one.<br />Yet the skills that they had, these noble artisans, apprenticed from a very young age one hopes gave them a better standard of living as time went on.<br />Nostalgia for old stables and horses has to be tempered with the fact that horses were worked to death- and were at the mercy of what would be termed ''boy racers'' and ''white van man'' today.<br />So glad I found your site..I was looking up Horse slaughterers of Victorian London, specifically Atcheler.<br /><br />The Catherine Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321859403060084313noreply@blogger.com